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		<title>The Post-Divorce Theory of Relate-tivity:  Friendships</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just in case I need to re-state the obvious – things change after a divorce.  In fact they change a LOT and in a lot of different areas in your life; from what you eat and drive to where you live and work – it ALL can be affected.  Probably one of the biggest areas [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Just in case I need to re-state the obvious – things change after a divorce.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>In fact they change a LOT and in a lot of different areas in your life; from what you eat and drive to where you live and work – it ALL can be affected.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Probably one of the biggest areas of change though is in not only how but with whom you have relationships.  Just like with old Al&#8217;s theory things are not only relative according to your perspective in the physical realm &#8211; they also change in your relational world.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Some relationships are going to end pretty quickly (in-laws are probably not going to want to have much to do with you, nor will her friends) while others are going to make some drastic changes over time.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>I want to touch on several types of relationships over the course of a few posts but I’ll start with friendships. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">To start off I can’t emphasize enough how important to a divorced dude true friends are.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Family is great, kids are great, girl-friends are great all in their respective ways – but a small handful of close friends are really invaluable.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  This constitutes one of those relative changes; while friends are of middle importance to a married man they are of MUCH greater import to a divorced one.  Why? </span>because they provide a sense of normalcy, perspective, support and stress relief; let’s look at those individually:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Normalcy:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></strong>After a divorce your life makes some big changes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>You are no longer a married man and you find your place and role in the world deeply different than it was just a few short months before.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>It’s easy to feel a little isolated and to wonder if the things you’re feeling and the challenges you’re facing are normal.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>That’s where and when a few friends who are also divorced can really be a god-send!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>I recall when I first went through a divorce and became a single parent that I had the very good fortune of making a few friends who were also divorced, single parents.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Can’t tell you how many times they helped me realize that they had also been though the same things I was facing and that I could make it through just like they had.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>This is part of the reason Russ and I started dudesndivorce.com <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>– to help men feel a little less isolated out there in divorce-land.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This is critical for divorced men and something that can be best provided by a few close friends; especially male friends.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Guys have a way of telling it to you straight and letting you know when you’re drifting off base.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Perspective:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span></strong>As many of you are only too aware the process of a divorce and the difficulties of dealing with your ex afterwards can become darn near all-consuming.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Eventually things settle down but for the first couple years life seems to center around custody, court, child support/alimony and negotiating visitation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>It’s really hard to keep your sense of perspective through all of that!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Seems as if your world is revolving around every phone conversation, every contact and every payment.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>You can find yourself constantly looking for hidden meanings and suspecting hidden motives behind everything your ex-spouse says and does.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>During that time it’s great to have a friend who’s been through that already and who can listen while you vent your frustrations and maybe help you take a step back now and then to take a broader view of the situation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>In fact, that function of friendship doesn’t cease being important after the initial phase passes on – I think it remains important throughout your life.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>I’ve been divorced a long time now but every now and then Russ says something that helps me see that I’ve lost some perspective along the way.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>When you are married your spouse normally provides that outside perspective and balancing function – but once divorced we have to depend a bit more on others in our life and a good friend is a pretty decent stand-in – at least in this regard.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Support:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span></strong>You know support is one of those things that some men won’t admit a need for beyond a jock strap.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Something about the male persona causes many of us to deny the need for an outside source of emotional energy and support.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Not sure why that is but it is true none-the-less.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Now I don’t suggest that we all need a friend to hold our hand or carry us through every crisis.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>But I will maintain that even the strongest amongst us need to have someone they can turn to now and then for some encouragement and a listening ear.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Divorce is HARD! It’ll suck every ounce of emotional energy out of you in no time flat.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>You often feel like there’s no way to win, that you are being put through an industrial strength wood chipper and that all your options are shot.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Ex-wives know all of our emotional buttons and delight in pushing them repeatedly; finances are shot ta heck, kids are acting up or telling you they hate you . . . yeah . . . FUN TIMES!!!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>When life gets that crazy there is just no way that any human being can go it alone for long without going bonkers or turning to a friend.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Even if it’s just getting together for dinner and a game or two of bowling or to watch a game – having the company of someone who isn’t piling more stress on you and who might actually be interested in hearing you unload some of your own is priceless. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s not something that only applies during the time immediately before and after a divorce.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>The need for the support of a friend remains important long after the ink is dry on the divorce decree.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Stress Relief:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span></strong>One of the things I always know I can count on from Russ is that he and I can get each other laughing in all but the absolutely worse times.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Can’t tell you how often I’ve called him up when I was in the middle of a crisis and before the call was done we were cracking each other up.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>We can also have a great conversation about movies, football, food, politics and just the crazy day to day stuff that happens to us all.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Maybe that doesn’t sound like much but believe me it is one of the things I value most about my friendship with Russ.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Divorce in particular and life in general can really build up the stress levels till you think you’re going to scream!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Be it some idiot at work, problems with the car or a huge and unexpected bill &#8211; there’s always something putting on the pressure.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>That’s why I value the resource I have in a great friend like Russ – someone I can call up and tell about the moron at the office and who will empathize with his signature statement “some people’s children!”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Now I agree that it takes time to build and develop a friendship like that – Russ and I have been working on it for over 30 years now!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>But even a fairly new friend is usually good for sharing some laughs with and that is a very important (and often under appreciated) contribution that friends can make to our lives.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Having said all this great stuff about friendships I can imagine that there are some men out there who find themselves currently without any close friends.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>It’s not unusual for men to focus so much energy on work and family that they never take the time to develop outside friendships; so when a divorce happens they are pretty much left isolated.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Well gentlemen – it’s never too late to start!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>As I’ve mentioned in previous posts it’s a good idea after a divorce to get involved in some social activities; church, clubs, civic organizations . . . not only are they great ways to start rebuilding your life they are rich sources of potential friends as well.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Start attending and don’t be afraid to take the initiative to start a conversation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>That’s how most friendships start. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Next post we’ll focus on the relationships we have with our children and how those change with a divorce and how to make that change easier and healthier for everyone.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Until then – Be Well!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Bill</span></p>
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		<title>Revelations over a couple of Brewskies</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello dudes!
Last night I got together with one of my pals from work whom I haven&#8217;t been able to see in quite some time.  As the evening and the conversation wore on eventually we reached a point or topic in which I made a comment, my intent being to enlighten my friend on a particular [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello dudes!</p>
<p>Last night I got together with one of my pals from work whom I haven&#8217;t been able to see in quite some time.  As the evening and the conversation wore on eventually we reached a point or topic in which I made a comment, my intent being to enlighten my friend on a particular subject. He, being a good friend, received it well, but (also because he was a good friend) choose to take that moment to enlighten me on how I spoke or rather presented my idea to him. He said, even though he knew it was not my intent, that I have a tendency to come across harsh. Perhaps it was all those years as a military briefer! You&#8217;ve got to condense everything you want to say into short bullet statements and delivery them with authority or you won&#8217;t be believed.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I took his words to heart and asked him to elaborate some more. He did. He didn&#8217;t us it as an opportunity to chop me down. Rather he could tell  I was seriously and honestly wanting answers and wanting to improve this blind spot in my behavior. I was, and am, grateful to him.  I prefer to take the attitude that I always need to improve on something and that as much self evaluating as I do in attempting to do just that, I still have blind spots that I need other people who care about me and also want me to improve (want the best for me) to point out to me. So I find it is best to not get defensive (&#8220;I am NOT!!!&#8221;), but rather take an open and learning mind to the situation. Listen and learn.</p>
<p>Of course, the disclaimer here is that I am listening to people who care about me and also want me to improve and want the best for me. I&#8217;m not going to let myself be manipulated that would want to use my desire to improve just to  &#8221;get&#8221; something out of me. I certainly try to keep my eyes and ears open for them.</p>
<p>Just wanted to share. Always keep learning, always keep moving forward.</p>
<p>Remember that old saying, &#8220;A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.&#8221;</p>
<p>Russ</p>
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		<title>Divorced Dudes and Friendship:</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fourth virtue in William Bennett’s Book of Virtues is Friendship and for very good reason; true friendship is, in my humble opinion, a very noble and unique force in human relationships.  Friendship involves love but without the sense of either obligation or reward inherent in most other applications of that ultimate human experience.  For [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">The fourth virtue in William Bennett’s Book of Virtues is Friendship and for very good reason; true friendship is, in my humble opinion, a very noble and unique force in human relationships.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Friendship involves love but without the sense of either obligation or reward inherent in most other applications of that ultimate human experience.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>For friendships involve neither the blood ties of family relationships nor the passions fundamental to romantic attachments. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Friendship seems to contain a greater measure of altruism than any other interaction between two human beings.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>While anyone who has experienced true friendship will tell you that it is very rewarding – the rewards have a different quality than in other relationships.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>For instance you can rightfully say that friends give one another support.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>But that support is not the same as the support given by a parent to a child or even by one spouse to another.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>While a parent supports a child from a position of power<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>and to help the child eventually become an independent adult and while spouses help each other because of the deep emotional, physical and financial bonds that bind them; the support of a friend is borne of a mutual respect and a deep understanding.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Friends support each other because they are allies who consider themselves equal in every way.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Friends also provide each other with honest feedback and accountability.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Parents may ease those blows with children and spouses may either try to avoid those blows or become so frustrated that they hit too hard.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>But a true friend knows you very well, knows how much you can take and isn’t afraid to give it to you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>If you do something stupid it is usually your best friend who is the first to sit you down, look you in the eye and gently tell you that you’re acting like a moron!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>They know your strengths and they know your weaknesses and they love you enough to hold you accountable.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">For the divorced man there is a very great need for such a friend. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In fact friendship is sometimes the one thing that helps a man going through a divorce make it through with his sanity intact. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’ve noticed though that some of us tend to put up walls when we are faced with hard times; we don’t want to burden our friends or do something that will cause them to think us weak.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Well men, if they can’t understand what you are going through then screw ‘em!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>If they are so hung up on some unrealistic concept of “manliness” that involves never needing the support of a friend – well they aren’t going to be much use in the real world.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>And if maybe that is YOUR perspective . . . well dude – time to wake up!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Divorces will tear you up and spit you out no matter who you are – Rambo or PeeWee Herman!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>So if you have a friend who seems to be supportive and understanding then invest yourself a bit in that friendship.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>You don’t have to sit around together drinking coffee and wringing your hands; but give yourself permission to just be real.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">I’m in my late 40’s and Russ and I have been friends since the end of our Sophomore year in high school, lo these many long and weary ages ago.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>During that time we’ve both been through some pretty heavy crap, we’ve each screwed up a few times and we’ve each had to make some very tough choices about the way our lives would go.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>I’m glad to be able to say that we’ve been there for each other through it all.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>We don’t always see eye to eye but we share a basic respect for each other, we understand each other very well and we have confidence in the fact that the other is “there” for us – no matter where “there” happens to be.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Until next time . . . Be Well!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Bill</span></p>
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		<title>Divorced &#8220;Dudes&#8221; Myth Number II</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 07:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I discussed on Thursday, many men believe the myth about other divorced guys that says, in essence, that they aren&#8217;t bothered by the divorce all that much, that a man gets over a divorce pretty quickly and is probably kinda glad of the fact.  You&#8217;ll recall that I talked some about how this just [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I discussed on Thursday, many men believe the myth about other divorced guys that says, in essence, that they aren&#8217;t bothered by the divorce all that much, that a man gets over a divorce pretty quickly and is probably kinda glad of the fact.  You&#8217;ll recall that I talked some about how this just isn&#8217;t true and that men can and do hurt from divorce; sometimes very deeply.</p>
<p>This this leads us to our second myth which is that divorced men and is associated with the first one.  Simply put it is that men really don&#8217;t need close friends to confide in or a support network to lean on.  Somehow we get this idea that we&#8217;re supposed to get through things under our own power and that leaning on someone or depending upon the support of another somehow shows weakness.</p>
<p>Probably for the last thirty years people have been pointing out that this just isn&#8217;t true &#8211; but spend an hour amongst most men (outside of a university or media outlet) and you&#8217;ll find that there is still a deep seated reluctance to open up and share or to ask for support or even advice. </p>
<p>Truth is that men DO need that support but they aren&#8217;t like women (big surprise eh!?!) &#8211; on average they don&#8217;t have a need or a desire to constantly share the inner workings of their soul every time they get together with a couple casual friends.  But they DO have a need for a good friend who they can let down the walls some with and really get real with.  As many of you who&#8217;ve read this blog for long are aware Russ and I have been good friends for over thirty years.  And we can and do talk about some serious personal issues with each other.  It&#8217;s been quite a help over the years let me tell you!  Just having that other guy to talk to who understands things from a healthy male perspective can be a life saver.</p>
<p>If you are going through a divorce you are going to need someone like that to talk to; it may start out with a counselor or a preacher or a lay leader in your church; it might be a fishing buddy or a neighbor or a co-worker.  Of course you can&#8217;t walk up to a near stranger and start unloading the depths of your soul &#8211; it has to develop into that.  But the first step is to rid yourself of the myth that men don&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; others and that they go it alone.   Because, quite simply, they don&#8217;t!</p>
<p>My next post will be on Tuesday when we&#8217;ll look at Myth number III</p>
<p>Be Well</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		<title>Gettin By With A Little Help From Our Friends</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russ I think you are absolutely right! (just don&#8217;t let it go to your head dude!) . . . friends are a very important part of getting through the ugliness of a divorce with at least part of your sanity intact.  In fact that&#8217;s part of the reason why we put this blog together!  To [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ I think you are absolutely right! (just don&#8217;t let it go to your head dude!) . . . friends are a very important part of getting through the ugliness of a divorce with at least part of your sanity intact.  In fact that&#8217;s part of the reason why we put this blog together!  To provide men with a forum to fuss, cuss and discuss their experiences going through the Big &#8220;D&#8221;.   For me it was very helpful having a friend like Russ around.  He and I have known each other since High School and he knows me pretty well by now so it was a big help to have him to call up and vent to.    I hope any men reading this blog can think of at least one friend or family member they can do the same with. </p>
<p>Russ ended his last post with the request for anyone reading to leave a comment acknowledging that friend in their life.  I think that&#8217;s a great idea and I&#8217;ll continue the challenge by asking this question:  <strong>When you first realized that you would be facing a divorce who was the first person you thought to confide in?</strong></p>
<p>Look forward to hearing every-one&#8217;s responses</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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